David Nguyen, MD - Plastic Surgeon in Fort Worth, Texas

Eva Sheie (00:03):
The purpose of this podcast is simple. We want you to get to know your doctor before meeting them in person, because you're making a life-changing decision and time is scarce. The more you can learn about who your doctor is before you meet them, the better that first meeting will be. I'm your host, Eva Shea, and you're listening to Meet the Doctor. Thank you for listening to Meet the Doctor. My guest today is David Nguyen, and you're practicing at Camp Plastic Surgery?

Dr. Nguyen (00:29):
Yep, that's correct. I started as of August 1st.

Eva Sheie (00:32):
Okay. We're going to talk about your training.

Dr. Nguyen (00:33):
Okay.

Eva Sheie (00:34):
Everybody else wants to know all the interesting things about school, but let's not start there. Let's start with, why are you at home today?

Dr. Nguyen (00:44):
Great question. I'm in Fort Worth, Texas. So essentially we got kind of a decent amount of the ice from this recent ice storm that we got. I know a lot of people have gotten a lot of snow and I'm looking in St. Louis where I did training. There's tons of snow there all the way up to New York City. But here in the DFW area, particularly Fort Worth, it's just essentially ice. And so our roads, like my front hasn't ... I think the storm hit us on Saturday. It's been Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, and today's Wednesday. And thankfully we still have power and everything, but the problem is just everything is still iced out. And all that ice is just now starting to melt today. But it's been a process where the roads aren't super safe yet. The highways are pretty icy. My whole driveway is still icy. I just re-salted it to try to help expedite the things.

Eva Sheie (01:32):
So what happens in the office when you have to close all of a sudden for two or three days?

Dr. Nguyen (01:38):
So thankfully, we kind of prepared for this. Our leadership, we've been looking at the weather and the forecast up until Friday, because that's when it was supposed to hit us on Friday. So we kind of planned ahead saying, we'll close Monday. Tuesday, we'll be preemptively kind of keeping an eye out. And then Wednesday, we thought we'd be back to track. As you know, just like medicine, things don't always go as planned. And so you kind of have to have plan A, B, and C, which is in everything in medicine or even in life. And so right when we saw Saturday we were watching and Sunday where the ice didn't melt at all because we're still like below 15 degrees. So we saw Monday we were already close. We had enough time for our staff to say, "You know what? Let's figure something out if we need to."

(02:21):
And leadership, all of us kind of decided safety is most important. So working from home, calling our patients, being able to tell them, "Hey, follow ups and all that stuff." Anything that wasn't emergent, and usually what we do in aesthetics isn't really emergent, can be pushed off into a more safe manner to kind of see these patients. Because one, it's not just our staff, it's not the providers, it's not just the staff, it's also our patients. We want to make sure they're getting there safely and they're able to not get stuck. We're very transparent with our patients. So at any point, and even my own patients, I've called ones that I've operated on recently just to make sure they're doing okay. And I tell them if there's any concern, any emergency or anything, obviously let me know because I can kind of like tell you, I don't want you driving in the middle of like a snowstorm or ice if it's not an emergency, but we can kind of triage things.

(03:10):
And if it's just like suture removal or like a post-op visit, sure we can push that back a little bit. And usually it's not super, super of a huge concern.

Eva Sheie (03:17):
Not a big deal.

Dr. Nguyen (03:18):
Yeah.

Eva Sheie (03:19):
Is this the first time since you've been in this practice, is this the first time that you've had to go through a big disruption like this?

Dr. Nguyen (03:26):
Yeah. Since I joined the practice in August, so beginning of August. And so this is kind of the first ice storm that I've experienced in the Texas area. I'm originally from New Orleans, so I get hurricanes all the time and I can handle hurricanes, but then I did my training and we'll talk about that in St. Louis, Missouri. And so that's where I got all my snow experience where I got salt, just getting things ready for any kind of-

Eva Sheie (03:50):
Okay. So we still need to do volcanoes and earthquakes, but you've got hurricanes, ice, and snow.

Dr. Nguyen (03:56):
Yep, exactly.

Eva Sheie (03:58):
Got it. All right. What did you learn about the practice and the character of the practice as you kind of went through the last few days? I'm just sort of curious. And it's been top of mind because I try not to share too much of my own stories on this podcast because it's not about me, but I had a tooth pulled like four months ago and I had that implant put in on Friday of last week.

Dr. Nguyen (04:21):
Oh, sorry about that.

Eva Sheie (04:22):
And the way the practice took care of me blew my mind. Just the level of detail and the thoughtfulness around not just what they did, but the timing of when they did it. And so now I'm a little bit on a mission to ask everybody else, how do you think about that? How are you talking to your patients through things that are disappointing or frustrating or not what they expected?

Dr. Nguyen (04:47):
To answer your first question and what did I think about the whole situation or the leadership and all that? I think that speaks a lot of character and volume about kind of the character of the practice. And that's the reason why I joined it. The beauty of it is that the first and foremost was the safety of our staff, our patients, and we wanted to make sure like there was accommodation saying you can work from home, calling patients, texting patients, being able to field important messages or leads. Because like you said, even if we're under a natural disaster, the world still continues. There's still people putting in leads, there's still people having questions. And the last thing you want to do, of course, it's an emergency, but as long as we're able to and we have electricity and power, we should meet these patients at where they're at and being able to answer appropriately and answering their questions.

(05:34):
So I think that was just seeing the way it was managed and preemptively saying we'll close Monday, which is not easy for our private practice to do and say, "You know what? We'll close again on Tuesday. And if we need to, we'll close again on Wednesday just to make sure everyone is safe." And as you know, anything in medicine or even businesses in general, closing is a lot of costs. It's a lot of factors that go into patients and even the staff, patients expect to be seen. They want to get that kind of concierge care level that we want to give patients. And same with staff, they have bills to be paid, they have things to do. And I think being able to meet everyone halfway, calling our patients, talking to them, rescheduling them, especially if they're not urgent, to a more safe time to do so.

(06:17):
And then being able to allow our staff to work from home and be able to navigate through these things. So there's less stress, you're able to kind of handle things still until we're able to open fully. And I think what you said, I think that's perfect. That's amazing. And I love practices that do that, not just even in the aesthetic world, but honestly, in every service-

Eva Sheie (06:37):
You don't really expect it from the dentist. Yeah,

Dr. Nguyen (06:39):
But that's amazing.

Eva Sheie (06:40):
For a while it was so blown away. It was so unexpected in that particular environment. Right.

Dr. Nguyen (06:48):
But that's amazing because that's the thing. I think what we have to realize, and I think this is the purpose of even the practice that I joined and that's why I think so highly of it is just why are we here? Why are we doing what we're doing? Just like the dentist, why are we here? We're here to serve patients. And so at the end of the day, I think you have to keep that in mind, whether whatever it is, you have to be prepared. Things are going to happen, but at the end of the day, how do you handle patients and how do you treat them?

Eva Sheie (07:14):
Why did you choose this practice? I assume based on what I know about you already, that you had choices when you did that.

Dr. Nguyen (07:22):
Thank you. So honestly, one was, and it's kind of crazy, and I think we've been exposed to this in such a rapid environment being in medicine, like going through a match process, going through interviews, and then going through interviews for fellowships. So I think what we learn as residents is resilience. And on top of that, we learn how to make decisions quickly and efficiently. And being able to gather all the different information, I think it's exactly what, and this is an example of how they responded to this weather storm is just the character. And in an aesthetic practice, I think I remember interviewing with Dr. Camp for a day and I remembered, I was like, "Man, this is tough." I did look at other practices as well, but I think the thing that stood out to me was just literally the way everyone was truly genuine and happy.

(08:15):
And I think that's something very hard to see. Of course, you can kind of tell, and I think I can, even from down to literally from front desk girls to aestheticians, to nurse practitioners, to people in the OR, literally everyone was truly happy to do what they and truly happy to be where they were. And I think I've been able to kind of pick up on that really easily and say, I can tell when something's a show or something's a little bit more like genuine. And so I kind of had an idea and I met with Dr. Camp, I met with his wife. It was a very family oriented feel. Honestly, they're like really, really good friends with my wife and I now. We had dinner and all that stuff. So I think it was just like character and the way they just treat everyone truly like family was just literally how I wanted to treat my patients and literally my staff.

Eva Sheie (09:00):
What led you to aesthetics in the first place?

Dr. Nguyen (09:03):
Great question. I think so. Initially, I was one of those medical students that enjoyed every rotation. I liked psychiatry, I liked neurology, I liked OBGYN. I was like, "Oh, I love all of this. This is amazing." But then I realized that to me, I wanted a specialty that was happy medicine in a sense. And so I looked at specialties that were like, "OBGYN, you're bringing babies in. What else could be more happy?" I looked at plastic surgery, reconstruction, restoring something to make someone feel more whole. And so I quickly, after, even though I loved everything, I focused more so specialties in quality of life versus quantity of life. Just because I did some rotations as a medical student, even residency with ICU rotations and it always gets very controversial with a lot of those things. And to me, just I went into medicine to be able to talk to patients and hear about their stories and let them ... I want to hear their stories.

(10:00):
That's what keeps me going. I narrowed it down to kind of those surgical pathways, OB/GYN and surgery, and specifically plastic surgery. I at that time didn't know I wanted to do aesthetics. I was like, reconstruction I think is the beauty in it. And I really, really liked both the aesthetic and the reconstructive component. But I think what narrowed it down for me was in residency training, just the small nuances and the breadth and diversity of cases, being able to work with men and women, being able to work from kids all the way to adults, being able to work on every part of the body, head, hands, face, breast, body, even legs, I think is what drew me into plastic surgery and aesthetic surgery. But I think the reason why I chose aesthetic surgery was I found it very, very intellectually challenging and at the same time, emotionally challenging.

(10:55):
And I think the part of me that I grew up a little bit back about me was I'm a first generation, kind of a first generation medical student, first in my family to become a physician, let alone a surgeon. So a lot of the ... Growing up, I've experienced a lot of people from different backgrounds, different lengths and walks of life. And I think that allowed me to kind of get a better understanding of emotional intelligence and being able to meet people where they're at. And I think a lot of that plays to aesthetic surgery. These patients people think are like ... There's kind of a notion or like, oh, aesthetic surgery is for vanity, et cetera, et cetera. But I think that's not true. I think a lot of it is like, you need to be able to educate patients, you need to be able to reach out to them.

(11:38):
They're vulnerable. They're a vulnerable population that a lot of people don't really consider as a vulnerable population, but being able to have someone speak how they really feel about themselves in order to kind of align their inner with their outside, I think is a true art. Not just from the surgery itself, of course, resurgence. We love the operation. We love the finesse and the technique, but I think being able to meet the patient where they're at, understanding their goals, understanding their lifestyle, understanding what they want. And I think that has allowed me ... I think that was one of the main reasons that I got pulled towards aesthetic surgery was you're not just fixing them physical or not fixing, I would say like restoring or helping them physically, but you're restoring the connection, the mind, body, and spirit connection that I think was just a beautiful way to kind of practice medicine.

(12:27):
And there was no other specialty kind of quite like aesthetic surgery.

Eva Sheie (12:31):
Where did you grow up?

Dr. Nguyen (12:32):
I was born in originally Stockton, California, but I lived there for two years and then I moved to New Orleans. So I consider New Orleans my home when I was two years old. So I've been to New Orleans, I went to public schools there all the way up until college. I attended college and medical school there as well.

Eva Sheie (12:48):
It's such a great city. And so were your parents immigrants?

Dr. Nguyen (12:52):
Yeah, they were immigrants and they immigrated over after the war. My mom and dad came over in 1975. They had nothing to their name. Literally had four kids. My mom left her entire family. She's the only one that came over because I think the rest essentially got captured. And then my dad was able to get his family over here. And so I learned a lot through them, through their actions. And the best part now is like being an adult and understanding these things. So I love to ask them about what their journey were, how they went through, how they're so resilient. And it is very humbling. I'll tell you this. Honestly, all through the rigors of residency and fellowship and all that, I mean, I never once complained, never once told them until now I was like, "Oh yeah, it was kind of tough." And they're like, "Why?" I'm like, "Because you guys never complained. You just got to do what you got to do. " So I learned a lot from them and I owe a lot to my parents for sure.

Eva Sheie (13:43):
What can patients expect when they come to see you?

Dr. Nguyen (13:46):
A true, genuine consultation and an interaction. My goal is to educate. There's no educate ultimately and to help them make the decision about what they want. I like to align expectations and I'm very transparent about what can be obtained or achieved with certain surgical results or non-surgical results. What expectations can truly happen during the process? I'm very realistic and transparent about the complications that can happen because I think being transparent, I would want all patients to kind of ... I treat them essentially kind of like my family. I know everyone says that, but honestly, I think being able to educate and talk to patients. I remember the way I treat patients a lot is how I've always translated for my own parents. When I remember being at the doctor's office being completely vulnerable, not understanding any spec of all this medical jargon. And I just remembered certain providers that took their time, even though there's a language barrier to explain to myself, to translate to my parents what it was.

(14:48):
And I just took a piece of that with me. Being patient, trying your best to try to do that. And I think that's what I do to all of my patients, regardless. Even if we speak the same language, even if there's a cultural language, I do my best to offer the services that provide translation for them, but ultimately to make them feel heard. I think we're in an environment a lot, especially in medicine where it's like churning and it's like all about efficiency, time. They made it into a little bit more of a difficult, more business aspect of medicine. And I think there's a way to do it efficiently, but at the same time, just being present with patients because you're going through a lot of things and you don't know why, and especially in aesthetic surgery, it is hard to go in front of someone, stand in front of the mirror, be vulnerable and say, "This is what I'm bothered by." And I've always thought about this.

(15:40):
And I think being emotionally aware and emotionally intelligent about meeting patients where they're at, I think I want to just portray to them that my ultimate goal is to make you feel comfortable. I don't think there's any dumb questions. And I tell all my patients this. I'm like, "I promise you there's no dumb questions. Interrupt me at any point if you feel like you have a question, just because I want it to be more of an interaction instead of me lecturing you kind of thing." And so I think ultimately what patients can expect is transparency. I want it to be authentic interaction with patients. And ultimately, I think the main thing as with every consultation is education.

Eva Sheie (16:18):
It sounded like you were saying that when you were a kid, you had to translate from Vietnamese to English for your parents at the doctor. Is that what you were doing?

Dr. Nguyen (16:26):
Plenty of times. Yep, plenty of times.

Eva Sheie (16:28):
Everywhere, I mean, at the doctor, but everywhere that you went, was that one of your jobs in your family?

Dr. Nguyen (16:34):
Yeah. I mean, it was all of us. I can't say. I'm the youngest of four. So it was a lot of ... My brothers and sisters, they were older, so they kind of entered the workforce a little bit earlier. My dad did speak some English. He had a better foundation of English. I get an associate's degree over here, but my mom, her highest level was in high school over in Vietnam. So my mom's English was a little bit more, not as proficient as my father was. So I had to help her a lot more with the translations. And I even remembered helping her study for a citizenship test, literally in English asking her how many colonies are there, who's the president, and she answering all of it back in English. And it wasn't like my duty, but it was an unspoken duty. They never forced me to do it, but it was like, this is what I do to help my loved ones.

(17:20):
And so we were always introduced to your role, how you helped someone else out. So I think that's what I've always done for my parents. And I think that helped me out.

Eva Sheie (17:28):
Did that have anything to do with why you ended up becoming a doctor?

Dr. Nguyen (17:33):
It's funny enough, but yes. So a lot of it was when my parents, I just remembered my aunts, my uncles when they passed away. My grandparents passed away on my mom's side at an early age and no one really understood why. My mom just said, oh, heart issues. And then her sister and my aunt in Vietnam passed away. So we never got to meet my mom's side of the family. And so I just remember her being devastated and heartbroken. And my mom is like a tough cookie. Never seen her cry. I've never seen her cry. I thought she was going to cry during my wedding. She still did. And so literally the only time she's cried was like the death of her sister. And I just remember that affecting me a lot and no one understood. Everyone just said, "Oh, it was a heart issue." And I was like, "What part of the heart?" And I wanted to be like, was it a valve issue?

(18:18):
Was it congestive heart? I didn't know. And it was just all of these medical terminologies that I loved languages growing up, Vietnamese, English, at some point I could have kept up with Spanish, but I just loved languages. And to me, I think medicine at some point was another language, like using all these different words to be specific. And I was like, "Oh, this is interesting." So I love medical terminology, medical jargon. And it's funny enough, because when you said that, is this why you led to medicine? I remember telling my dad, and this was actually part of my personal statement to medical school was like, I wanted to be a doctor growing up. I remember telling when I was like five years old or six years old in kindergarten and he told me, he was like, "Son, it's not going to happen. You got to pick something else." And it's funny because it's crazy because nowadays I think he would get like his way of teaching or his parenting would have been scrutinized or criticized significantly.

(19:13):
But I think that's what made me kept going. And I think to him, and this is the part of the emotional intelligence that I think I've learned from just growing up in my family and just seeing different people, is that to him, that's what he really thought. His mindset, and I asked him, he's like, "No one in our family has ever become a physician. I've seen the struggles. I don't want you to have so much stress on you. And then if it doesn't happen, you go into a depression and there's a lot of things that can happen." He's seen what happened to parents that were very pressuring their children into high achieving professions. And so he was like, "I didn't want that for you. " My mom was like, "Oh, please don't." She was more of the opposite like, "Can you do something else?" She was like, "I just want you to have ... We've already had a tough life and I want you to have a good life just because I know medicine, you're going to have to put yourself ... You have to put your patients above you.

(20:01):
It's part of the Hippocratic Oath." And I just-

Eva Sheie (20:03):
Were they tricking you? Do you ever think that they were using reverse psychology?

Dr. Nguyen (20:06):
My dad tricked me. My mom now was just like, she still tells me, she's like, I'm obviously I'm happy where you're at, but she's like, you're happy, so you love what you do. So she's not mad about it, but she's always been like in residency when she's never ... I moved away for residency and I think that was like ... She cried during match day. Even though I matched her into an integrated plastic surgery residency, she balled out because she was like, "Oh my God, you're leaving, you're leaving the nest. It's going to be hard or whatever." But I told my dad and I was like, "Was it tough love?" And he was like, "Sort of. I just wanted to see what you can do. " And so when I look back at it, I didn't see it as like, oh, they're ... And I realized that this doesn't work on every child, obviously, but to me, I figured it was more of a protection for me, but I was always thinking like, "What if, okay, I got this A, great, what if?

(20:52):
" And I've always, I think that's what also made me put ... I was very cautious in what I did, and so I always had plan A, B and C. I think just having parents, first generation or immigrant parents, I think that's what you got to do. So I've always had plan A, B, and C. And so I think there was a part of me that was always striving, striving like, what if I could get that, but always being aware realistically, I also might not get it. And so I have to be reasonable and realistic about things. So I think that definitely shaped me to who I am today and how I honestly practice with patients.

Eva Sheie (21:26):
I'm sure it was easy all the way through too. You just sailed on.

Dr. Nguyen (21:29):
I don't know about that.

Eva Sheie (21:30):
Were there any roadblocks in there that made you double down and work even harder?

Dr. Nguyen (21:37):
So I think the main thing was residency, and that's what it's supposed to do. It's supposed to teach you, it's supposed to humble you, it's supposed to knock you down, and it's supposed to kind of make sure you are able to work through anything, sleep deprived with all the obstacles, just so that you can handle patients. And so I think that was probably the toughest period. And then moving across a country, finding a job, doing all these things, it's a pretty steep time period, but at the end of the day, I think the problem, I think I would say the hardest part was residency, but I would not have it ... I mean, I see why doctors have to go through it. Would I want to do it again? Absolutely not. But would I choose it for my plastic surgery and where I'm at now? Yes. It's just a necessary evil, if you will.

Eva Sheie (22:23):
Did you have a fellowship year? Where was that?

Dr. Nguyen (22:25):
So after the six year integrated plastic surgery residency at St. Louis University-

Eva Sheie (22:29):
Only six.

Dr. Nguyen (22:29):
Only six. It's actually shorter. It's six thrown in, integrated. And it's funny because it's like one of the only specialties that I think it's technically still shorter. It's like long, but it's shorter than neurosurgery, which is seven. But I'm like, man. So six years of plastic surgery integrated where you do full comprehensive plastics. I then did a fellowship, I decided to do an aesthetic fellowship to focus on purely aesthetic surgery for an entire year from head to toe in Houston, Texas. So still in Texas at ACPS. It's like an acronym for the Aesthetic Center for Plastic Surgery and it's a huge group of like ... Now there are nine surgeons, but I learned from all of them. And so they kind of practice from head to toe, face, nose, breast, body, but purely aesthetic surgery. And so that's where-

Eva Sheie (23:15):
Well, you got to live in Houston, which has the best restaurants on the planet and the best Vietnamese restaurants on them.

Dr. Nguyen (23:20):
Their food is so good. Their Vietnamese food is really nice. I'll tell you this. Since I moved forward, we had to cook a lot more Vietnamese food, but it's still here.

Eva Sheie (23:28):
One of my girlfriends married a Vietnamese man, and he used to take us to the restaurants that we weren't allowed to go to. And I will tell you, he would walk in there with us two tall white girls and that all the Vietnamese ladies would give us the death stare like, "You're not allowed here and you are not allowed to marry him." And we would be like, "We just want some food." It's

Dr. Nguyen (23:53):
Too funny. We're not allowed to go to. That is too funny. Yeah.

Eva Sheie (23:58):
It was amazing. I love Houston so much.

Dr. Nguyen (24:02):
Their food is so good. It's

Eva Sheie (24:03):
Such an interesting city.

Dr. Nguyen (24:04):
Very diverse.

Eva Sheie (24:06):
Yeah. Yeah. I just love Texas in general. I'm glad you got here as fast as you could, even though it's not New Orleans. Yeah, it's okay. It's not that far. You can drive. It's fine.

Dr. Nguyen (24:15):
Yeah. It's not too far. And it's only an hour flight.

Eva Sheie (24:17):
You have to. Well, this has been amazing. You're so just full of exuberance and enthusiasm for what you're doing. And I think anyone who comes to see you for anything, at least will have a great conversation.

Dr. Nguyen (24:33):
Thank you. Is that a cute to say I talk too much because I do blabber a lot. My wife tells me all the time.

Eva Sheie (24:41):
No, I think I spent a lot of time surveying patients in one part of my career. And one of the most important things that we learned by asking people for their feedback was that people don't want to be rushed and they don't want to wait. There's a fine balance in the middle. They don't want you to rush them through anything, but they also ... Time is really important in that in this process with people, and I think you understand that really well. And then they want to know you and they just want to feel heard. And so you have all the elements. Anyone who comes to see you would be lucky to have you as their surgeon.

Dr. Nguyen (25:21):
Oh, thank you so much. That means a lot to me. I appreciate it.

Eva Sheie (25:24):
Okay. There's kind of a funny question we like to ask on this show at the end, which is, have you ever been on a plane when they've said, "Is there a medical professional on the airplane?"

Dr. Nguyen (25:38):
You want my honest answer?

Eva Sheie (25:40):
Yeah.

Dr. Nguyen (25:40):
Okay. So here's the thing, my wife tells me if I had a secret power, it would be being able to go to sleep anywhere at any time. And I think it's just probably from chronic sleep deprivation, but I usually fall asleep right on the airplanes. So honestly, if I was awake and that were to happen, it hasn't happened to me, obviously I would answer to it. But the problem is I usually pass out right before we fly out. But if I were awake, yes, I would answer.

Eva Sheie (26:08):
You would ring the bell.

Dr. Nguyen (26:09):
Of course.

Eva Sheie (26:09):
Everybody goes in the back. I hear all of you go in the back and go ...

Dr. Nguyen (26:13):
Rock Paper scissors, "Yeah, you know. " You go.

Eva Sheie (26:15):
You have to discuss what your specialties are and then decide who's the most qualified.

Dr. Nguyen (26:21):
Yeah.

Eva Sheie (26:23):
Yeah. Well, someday I'm going to ask you that question and it will have happened, so we'll have to come back and tell us when it does.

Dr. Nguyen (26:30):
Absolutely.

Eva Sheie (26:31):
If someone's listening, they've made it to the end of this episode and they want to know how to reach you or come see you in person, where should they do that?

Dr. Nguyen (26:40):
So there's a couple of different ways. One is Instagram, that's social media, like we just talked about necessary evil, but using it for education purposes is great. And then using it for contact, such as this one, I think is a great way to do it. I usually put our office number after every post I do. And I think I also even include it, if not into my bio, but if not, I usually post it on every post that I do. So you can always call the number, you can always direct message me. I handle my own Instagram, obviously, so I can also forward the message to Allie, who's our patient coordinator, to kind of contact you if need be. There's also leads that you can do online if you go to the Camp Plastic Surgery website and then submit a lead and ask for me or reach out to me.

(27:22):
That's completely also an easy way to do it. But those are kind of the main ways to kind of reach out to me. I think the easiest way is to just call the office and then I think Dr. Nguyen Plastic Surgery in Fort Worth, that's pretty much specific.

Eva Sheie (27:33):
We'll put all the links in the show notes and make you very easy to find.

Dr. Nguyen (27:37):
Thank you so much.

Eva Sheie (27:39):
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